Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Our earlier conversation about "Religion"......

The R is for Are "you" ready to examine your views openly in the public?Y?.......
 
Andrew Kovar September 18 at 12:47pm Report
Craig,

Hey my friend, sorry I missed the chance to chat with you earlier today. I just checked FB and saw your question.

To answer your first question regarding why I am religious, I would say that we are all religious, in the purest sense of the word. We all carry out our lives based on what we believe to be the underlying truths that make up reality. Whether or not a person consciously explores the motivation behind their own thoughts and actions, we are all guided by the way we understand reality. That understanding guides and informs what we say and do, the choices we make, the lives we live. In a nutshell, it determines who we are.

Of course I am using a definition of religion which is very "practical." I think Wittgenstein has given us enough philosophical evidence to prove that defining religion in terms other than 'practical' terms is a waste of time. Its just like defining the word 'game.' Religion is not merely about what people believe, it's about what they do. Maybe I'm getting sidetracked here, but I just personally find it interesting when people try to explain that they are not religious because they do not believe in God or that God can be known, they do not like religion, and they don't attend worship services. We are all religious whether we realize it or not.

Your second question is more to the heart of the matter I believe. I am a follower of Jesus Christ (or at least, I am trying very hard to be). I strive to live like he did, love people like he did, surrender to God like he did. This does not mean that I agree with everything that every person in the last 2000 years has said or done in the name of Christ. Not everyone who labels themselves as Christian is truly a Christ follower. Jesus himself said that. Corruption is a good way to explain the history of religion. But I do not let this convince me that we cannot still somehow ascertain truth.

However, I must confess that much of the way I carry out my faith has indeed been influenced by individuals throughout the ages. It is an ongoing struggle to separate out the truth of God from the influence of corrupted individuals. For whatever reason, God has seen fit to communicate to humanity through humanity itself. And humanity, well... we are a messy bunch.

Dude, sorry for such a long response! It would be fun to talk on the phone sometime. I love talking about this kind of stuff with friends who think a lot, but aren't out to get each other. Feel free to call me 573.239.1492. It would be good to catch up.

Peace,
Andy
Craig Crawford September 18 at 12:53pm
Thanks for the detailed and very thoughtfull response, I find myself agreeing withmost of what you say especially the part about discussing with friends who think alot, but aren't out to get each other. This I do belive is the heart of the matter and my problem with most forms of organized religion. I will call you soon, when I get a minute to talk without interuption.
Peace,
Craig

My conversations with my old friend "ANDY"

Chat conversation......about ourHesperia

Andrew is offline.
5:04pmAndrew is online.
5:07pmMe
Andy.....?Y?
Because I love you for who you...are...and your valueable inpu t to me!!!
The T is for together....
I love you Andy
<------tears
5:09pmAndrew
Hey Craig. How are ya?
5:09pmMe
GOOD
5:09pmAndrew
Cool deal.
5:09pmMe
VERY GOOD
How are U
the U is for US
I hate PINKY
5:09pmAndrew
Doing good as well.
5:09pmMe
The BRAIN has always been better than him
He's just syuch an ass
?Y?
5:10pmAndrew
Pinky and teh Brain. Good stuff.
5:10pmMe
Because he is tired of hating.....
I wish I could have made it up....
UGHHH gehhhBRAIN.....
YOU DID!!!1
!1!
5:12pmMe
I feel better than I have in a long long "t""i""me"
5:12pmAndrew
That's good.
5:12pmMe
Truth, Individual Accountability, Love for myself and my neighbors........
5:13pmAndrew
Right on.
5:13pmMe
"me" + L = "We"
You with me????
5:14pmAndrew
I'm trying to follow ya. what's the "L"
5:14pmMe
I don't have to ask ?Y? you have told me many times....
LOVE.......really???
5:14pmAndrew
cool
Love wins
5:14pmMe
www.ourhesperia.com
ALQWAYS......
THE Aanswer for love is Questions......
I hope I learned something from someone.....and acheived a quantifiable grade of my knowledge????oh Yeah whats That A for?????
5:16pmAndrew
Looks like your trying to make a difference in our hometown. Very cool.
5:16pmMe
YES
I couldn't believe what was really going on here....
5:16pmAndrew
Yeah, I bet it's pretty messy.
5:17pmMe
Yeah
I met this old dude RUSS at last weeks Rotary meeting and was like JOE Brady ....fuck you lie.....
I hate you
5:17pmAndrew
Wow
5:18pmMe
So I started looking.....
PLus I have been looking for many other answers...
and found truth
5:20pmAndrew
What truth specifically?
5:22pmMe
Corruption within every city office in every city in the desert
Plenty of hands from outside sources reaching in the pockets of people on the street
5:22pmAndrew
That's unsettling.
5:22pmMe
Same things that are everywhere
BELL, CA
LV???
5:23pmAndrew
Probably true in many cases.
5:23pmMe
SAC???
LA??????
SD?????whose in their pockets????
MEXICO
MEXICO
MEXICO
5:23pmAndrew
That is one thing that I don't miss about Cali. Not that Missouri is perfect, but I think its a little better here.
5:24pmMe
right
I agree....different places different problems
5:24pmAndrew
Well, my son is callign me to help him with homework, so I'd better go. We should talk again soon.
5:24pmMe
Most places are
I've been around...
5:25pmAndrew
Definitley. Well,gotta skate for now. Peace man.
5:25pmMe
I would prefer SD to here and it's closer to MEXICO
PEACE
5:26pmAndrew is offline

My Statement of Support For the Tea Party Patriot Movement

Dear Tea Party Patriots,

    I fully support all members of the movement I like to call, "We the People".  I do this out of love for my neighbor, because I do not love him like I once have.  "You" Individually inspire me daily, I now want to personally pursue that which I know I am entitled, I have always known!!!  I am entitled to Live......Every day!! "You" tell me I cannot do the things I have once done and WILL do again.  I have sailed the seven seas!!! I have lived in the desert, full of temptation, for much more than 40 days or so....I have resisted evil, fought back demons, knowing full well I would prevail...... why???


Because MyFather told me he would take care of it!!!!!

What did YourFather tell you??????? http://yourfather-ccrawdaddy.blogspot.com/


P.S. I also am thinking of a potential use for prop 19????
Regrowth of BRAINCELLS!!!!!!------>Maybe if it wasn't corrupted????

P.P.S. Research builds WEALTH----->Maybe if it wasn't corrupted????

P.P.P.S.  ****Follow up Survey Question for all****
Do you believe, "If" we do get this promised "GREEN" Economy explosion......"We" would SHARE in it's PROFITS/LOSSES"???? "WethePeople"

YES____  NO____

As always please respond with thoughtfull answers and honesty, and quantify your reasons for your decisions based off of independent research, and post them in the OPEN format of your choosing.....Honesty will be judged according to quantified facts!!!!

Please send research dollars to:

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